( Who actually gives $hit ?) Best bit yet as long as the owner of what ever machine is finding and is happy life`s too short.
( Who actually gives $hit ?) Best bit yet as long as the owner of what ever machine is finding and is happy life`s too short.
Dont think it was the hole, it was not waterlogged either , we were at the top of the field where the Staters came up from.
they posted my video one of the xp forums. and i wasnt trying t beat the deus i was trying to see how close the ctx came to the deus's recovery speed.Originally Posted by jeb
any way lets not go there again!
Where did the 'like' button go? I enjoy reviews and comparisons as much as the next guy but it still surprises me how hot some people get over them. "My Dad can beat up your Dad" kind of thing....
Etrac with NEL coil/Excall II/Stavrscoop/Lesche Digger/Garrett ProPointer.
like!Where did the 'like' button go? I enjoy reviews and comparisons as much as the next guy but it still surprises me how hot some people get over them. "My Dad can beat up your Dad" kind of thing....
its a difficult thing isn't it because i have found out a lot about my detectors and the conditions to use them in etc by testing then along side each other, but those test can be seen as me trying to bash one of the detectors and that makes people angry and then everything goes nasty.
Where did the 'like' button go? I enjoy reviews and comparisons as much as the next guy but it still surprises me how hot some people get over them. "My Dad can beat up your Dad" kind of thing....
Reviews!.......... Are very often a joke.
I think you have to take on board that OFTEN , so called "Reviews" are done by inexpirienced and novice users to the product being reviewed, especially in the case of Metal detectors. And I must add , they are pretty green as far as metal detecting back ground knowledge expirience in with that.
I take reviews with a pinch of salt,and treat them as I would a tabloid newspaper. Readable, but don`t take anything as gospel and eventually throw it in the waste paper bin,because half the time the reviewer hasn`t a clue what their on about.
Pull me to pieces over that if you wish, but unfortunately it is true they don`t .
I suppose the reason the Deus and The E Trac are more likely to be shown is that they are the machines of the time, most commonly used, and held in high regard for their performance.
It's human nature to compare. By doing comparisons that's how we make our decisions to buy or sell.
Even on here, you have detectorists asking how does the ET compare to the CTX. I for one would like to see some videos of the two machines doing some depth testing.
Bet that'll be a brave person!
was that aimed at me jeb?...... cant argue with that though...... ok i could with some of it
i have done some tests and they are the same but the ctx gets a better lock on deep high conductors especial in the field and not on a test bed.I suppose the reason the Deus and The E Trac are more likely to be shown is that they are the machines of the time, most commonly used, and held in high regard for their performance.
It's human nature to compare. By doing comparisons that's how we make our decisions to buy or sell.
Even on here, you have detectorists asking how does the ET compare to the CTX. I for one would like to see some videos of the two machines doing some depth testing.
Bet that'll be a brave person!
Your reply seems to be directed at me but I do not disagree with you that, like all things, reviews come in at all levels of usefulness, accuracy, professionalism, what-have-you. I only find it surprising the amount of bickering such videos seem to be the cause of around these parts. I am thankful to anybody who takes the time to do their best and make a video for everybody else to watch. Of course there may be a few who are out to deliberately mislead for their own purposes but they are surely a very small minority.
I will also add that it's pretty much impossible to make a video that will please the entire detectorist crowd (bunch of ornery buggers they/we are!). The more careful you try to be the more people will find some scientific variable you didn't quite account for. Use one detector and they cry for comparison...use two or three and some cry foul that it's not fair or it's apples and oranges. If you're new to your machine it doesn't count because you're an amateur; if you're an old hand it doesn't count because you're biased. You also can't be trusted if you've just bought a new machine because of course you have to say it's great, right? And if nothing else can be found wanting in your methods you always have the ones who say the whole thing's been faked! Surprising anybody bothers really.
Etrac with NEL coil/Excall II/Stavrscoop/Lesche Digger/Garrett ProPointer.
I think that an old test bed might be OK - but they were perhaps made before the present deep seekers came on the scene. I'm not at all convinced about the so-called halo effect on deep buried targets. They would have to be in old pasture as the plough would destroy the supposed halo. Try passing a sample (decent sized) of substances that might form the "halo" such as copper sulphate or carbonate or lead carbonate. You won't get a signal because they are not metal. I think that the said halo effect just comes from really well compacted soil.
As an Etrac owner (love it) I am more than interested in seeing the Etrac and CTX in action together, maybe trying on the "wild" targets (i.e. found on a hunt in the field), first one detector and then the other, or better still, as I've suggested before, spray mark two lines at random on a field, let each machine be taken along a line and dig the targets - then change over and see if anything was missed.
If I could afford a CTX without selling the Etrac, and afford a video camera, I'd do it myself!
Barrie.
When the CTX first came out I mailed Minelab and told them that if they gave me a CTX I would do exactly the types of tests you are suggesting and report honestly on the findings....perhaps not surprisingly I never received a reply.As an Etrac owner (love it) I am more than interested in seeing the Etrac and CTX in action together, maybe trying on the "wild" targets (i.e. found on a hunt in the field), first one detector and then the other, or better still, as I've suggested before, spray mark two lines at random on a field, let each machine be taken along a line and dig the targets - then change over and see if anything was missed.
If I could afford a CTX without selling the Etrac, and afford a video camera, I'd do it myself!
Barrie.
Etrac with NEL coil/Excall II/Stavrscoop/Lesche Digger/Garrett ProPointer.
it cant be aimed at both of us.........actually this is jeb we are talking about here so it very well could beYour reply seems to be directed at me but I do not disagree with you that, like all things, reviews come in at all levels of usefulness, accuracy, professionalism, what-have-you. I only find it surprising the amount of bickering such videos seem to be the cause of around these parts. I am thankful to anybody who takes the time to do their best and make a video for everybody else to watch. Of course there may be a few who are out to deliberately mislead for their own purposes but they are surely a very small minority.
I will also add that it's pretty much impossible to make a video that will please the entire detectorist crowd (bunch of ornery buggers they/we are!). The more careful you try to be the more people will find some scientific variable you didn't quite account for. Use one detector and they cry for comparison...use two or three and some cry foul that it's not fair or it's apples and oranges. If you're new to your machine it doesn't count because you're an amateur; if you're an old hand it doesn't count because you're biased. You also can't be trusted if you've just bought a new machine because of course you have to say it's great, right? And if nothing else can be found wanting in your methods you always have the ones who say the whole thing's been faked! Surprising anybody bothers really.
your right with what you say about videos its really frustrating and at times demoralizingespecially if you are trying to be accurate and honest.
any way i like the videos you have done...the ones i have seen any way
Your reply seems to be directed at me but I do not disagree with you that, like all things, reviews come in at all levels of usefulness, accuracy, professionalism, what-have-you. I only find it surprising the amount of bickering such videos seem to be the cause of around these parts. I am thankful to anybody who takes the time to do their best and make a video for everybody else to watch. Of course there may be a few who are out to deliberately mislead for their own purposes but they are surely a very small minority.
I will also add that it's pretty much impossible to make a video that will please the entire detectorist crowd (bunch of ornery buggers they/we are!). The more careful you try to be the more people will find some scientific variable you didn't quite account for. Use one detector and they cry for comparison...use two or three and some cry foul that it's not fair or it's apples and oranges. If you're new to your machine it doesn't count because you're an amateur; if you're an old hand it doesn't count because you're biased. You also can't be trusted if you've just bought a new machine because of course you have to say it's great, right? And if nothing else can be found wanting in your methods you always have the ones who say the whole thing's been faked! Surprising anybody bothers really.
Spot on with that observation!
Seeing a video is a lot more interesting and informative that a pile of words on a page. It's unlikely any video will be perfect but, hats off to those that take the time to have a go. As long as it's done honestly and with good intent.
It's all to easy to criticise.
Well said my good man!Barrie.
No M8 it wasn`t. I`m talking in general.was that aimed at me jeb?...... cant argue with that though...... ok i could with some of it
Geeesh, there`s a lot of guilty consciences around here it seems . Two people have put their hands up already asking did I mean them .
I was generalizing WITHOUT pointing the finger specifically actually .
I was simply assuming that your post was directed at something I had said earlier (not at my actual videos) only because you included my quote in your post. Normally when you include somebody's quote in a post it means that you are speaking about or elaborating on something they have written. As an example, you can safely assume that this post is directed to you, Jeb, as I have included your post in a quote above what I've written. Pretty standard assumption.No M8 it wasn`t. I`m talking in general.
Geeesh, there`s a lot of guilty consciences around here it seems . Two people have put their hands up already asking did I mean them .
I was generalizing WITHOUT pointing the finger specifically actually .
Etrac with NEL coil/Excall II/Stavrscoop/Lesche Digger/Garrett ProPointer.
oh come on jeb whats happened to strait talking? that was a very specific generalization!No M8 it wasn`t. I`m talking in general.
Geeesh, there`s a lot of guilty consciences around here it seems . Two people have put their hands up already asking did I mean them .
I was generalizing WITHOUT pointing the finger specifically actually .
men have two emotions.hungry and horny.if you see him without an erection.make him a sandwhich
Stewart You put this in your post...." I enjoy reviews and comparisons ".
I just answered upon it.
Jeepers ,some of you guys are hard work some times. Cannot you simply take the comment/reply at face value without anlysing every sentence and stripping it down looking for that little tucked away hidden ajenda I might have encoded in it somewhere. ?
Tom wrote,...."oh come on jeb whats happened to strait talking? that was a very specific generalization."
Did it not cross your mind I was " trying " to be kind and not make it sound too harsh?
I obviously failed in the attempt !
Thats a very good one liner by markch yesterday at 11.46pm.
Time for British Secret Treasures in a few minutes ITV1.
after are previous conversation on the pm this is what you come out with? LMAO i cant be bothered with you.Tom wrote,...."oh come on jeb whats happened to strait talking? that was a very specific generalization."
Did it not cross your mind I was " trying " to be kind and not make it sound too harsh?
I obviously failed in the attempt !
i dont mind straight talking - stewart your vids come across balanced and fair and professional.
jeb - i like you mate
tombs - your a top lad too - you know your stuff no doubt there and i can see you are no fool.
if you want straight talk - the vid you did with 16.5 ....well to me that was a let down and come across as an attack on the deus - boot it in the edge - its a calculator - its no good in iron as some say ..blah blah.
but i dont want to reignite anything - because deep down i would get on with all of you - your detectorists and we all share a love of history and the hobby - plus were all Blokes - and from time to time we all have to bang the chest - but bottomline is were all on the same side.
sometimes post can come across harsh - because there words without the persons expressions - which can change the slant on interperertation.
peace
I agree with you JBMThats a very good one liner by markch yesterday at 11.46pm.
Time for British Secret Treasures in a few minutes ITV1.
Thank you Tom.
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